anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.
bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.
i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.
all illegal weapons start out as legal.
In this country, not the case. Most of the illegal weapons in circulation were smuggled in, rather than stolen.
It's got a lot more to do with inadequate "Border Security" than a lack of responsibility on the part of legal firearms owners.
Bill.
anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.
bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.
i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.
places like Australia, Ireland, etc where guns are completely outlawed
Hang on a minute, Mate!
As a licensed firearm owner who lives in Australia, I can tell you right now that that statement is bloody wrong! Firearms are not "completely outlawed" in Australia, as you just claimed they are.
(Anyway, your following remarks contradict your first statement, when you go on to state You can own a .22 pistol or rifle .... in other words, you are admitting there that it is possible, after all, to legally own a firearm in Australia).
My collection of rifles (all quite legal and above board) includes heavy calibre weapons as well as a .22. Also, it definitely DID NOT take me "forever" to acquire my firearms licence. In fact, it was a faster process than that required for a person to gain their first ever driver's licence.
Further, in this country, membership of a shooting club is just one of a number of reasons a firearm's licence applicant may use as justification for owning a firearm. (Formerly a hunter, and one of my hobbies is small-bore shooting, these days my rifles are used primarily for pest control).
Obviously (make that very obviously), the subject of firearms control is an emotional issue here:
- But Please ......... let's keep to facts!
Bill.
mr. jackson was pressured by angus stewart to answer if the org condoned corporal punishment, to which he openly stated that the org does not condone corporal punishment for j.w.
children.
this "fact" has never been revealed in the org's literature, in fact, this article which was published under geoffrey jackson's supervision, by definition demonstrates the org's approval of corporal punishment for j.w.
in countries where physical punishment / spanking is forbidden by law, as in most European countries, the wording is different, and there is no mention of spanking. The rod mentioned is an oral rod.
Weasel talk aplenty on the part of the WTS, by the sound of it - with much talk coming from both sides of its mouth! (Again)
Bill.
mr. jackson was pressured by angus stewart to answer if the org condoned corporal punishment, to which he openly stated that the org does not condone corporal punishment for j.w.
children.
this "fact" has never been revealed in the org's literature, in fact, this article which was published under geoffrey jackson's supervision, by definition demonstrates the org's approval of corporal punishment for j.w.
When the book of Proverbs talks about "beating" with the rod, it can only be referring to one thing:
- i.e. corporal punishment.
No amount of rationalisation over the "Greek meaning of the word for discipline" can get around that fact. Nor can confusing "The Rod" with a shepherd's "Staff" help matters much either. Elsewhere in the Old Testament, "The Rod" and "The Staff" are identified as being two separate implements. And even the "staff" (where I come from, known as a "mustering stick") is frequently used to deliver blows. I still have my old mustering stick, a 1.5 metre long piece of manuka, and it was used to whack a recalcitrant cattle beast across the @$$ just as often as it was ever used to guide sheep into a gateway. So much for the attempts of some bible apologists to try and explain the its reference to "The Rod" as really meaning the shepherd's "staff", and that this device is merely used for "guiding" an animal.
In my 28 years involvement with this bloody cult (1966-1994), I saw corporal punishment used almost on an everyday basis, with the open blessing of the religion. In fact, parents who did not use corporal punishment were viewed with open disdain. Also, when Sweden (as far as I am aware, the first country in the world to do this) outlawed corporal punishment in 1978, there was some consternation amongst the JWs. All agreed that the "Swedish brothers" would ignore that law, and thus "render Caesar's things to Caesar, but God's things to God."
Furthermore, Jackson will be fully aware of all this, too.
Bloody liar!
Bill
hey guys,.
i'm just venting here because obviously, i can vent to no one else because i am still in the congregation.. jws as a whole do nothing to help the poor, the homeless, the sick, the hungry, though some individual jws do.
because they are too busy giving to the gb.
They are not even good at helping their own out when times are hard.
When my children were very young and their mother required three months in hospital, I had to go for help to an organisation run by the local churches. (Our wonderful "brothers" - who would apparently lay their lives down on our behalf - accused me of "using" people when I sought assistance from the congregation).
All this occurred in a small town, where there are no secrets. Not surprisingly, the irony of the whole situation was not lost on the local churches! In fact, I would go as far as to say it completely negated the effects of many years' worth of door to door activity by the local congregation.
Bill.
well, i sat through day 1 or the "imitate jesus" convention.
they released the new brochure for inactive ones.
while no tomo-esque rants took place, it seems that the official policy is that "inactivity" merits the death sentence.
This is just another man-made rule, and an extension of the theme "Salvation by Report Card"
i.e. the sole measure of a person's worth is that column on the Monthly Field Service slip that is entitled "Hours".
You will definitely not find any reference in the Bible to the term "Inactive" meaning having not reported any Field Service Time for six consecutive months,that is for sure!
Bill.
a couple of saturdays ago i and my girlfriend (who happens to be baptised into the greek orthodox religion, but practises greek catholic...no, she's not greek) were on the virgin train from glasgow to london.. we had reserved seats on the quiet zone of the train, because y'know, a 5 hour train journey shouldn't be sullied by mobile phones ringing and noisy conversations.. somewhere around the lake district a very tall woman sits at the table across the carriage from us, a table already occupied by a very chatty, bearded man in his late 50s, along with his wife.
this man was directing people where to stow their luggage and asking random travellers questions about their journey to the point where i sent my girlfriend a text message (easier to communicate that way without others overhearing us) asking if he was the "train boss".. he struck up a conversation with this new passenger about his travels, but i wasn't really paying attention as i was watching a movie on my ipad, wearing noise cancelling headphones.
after a little while i noticed they'd stopped chatting and the woman was now reading.
This reminds me of a place where I once worked:
- owned by a family of Exclusive Bretheren, and the work crew included a JW (myself), a "Born-Again" fellow of a particularly fanatical stripe, plus one person who could not stand hearing the subject of religion being discussed. Needless to say, she was frequently quite irritated!
Bill.
mr. magnani reports his conversation with pres.
fred franz, and queries him about eve being created in the same year as adam.. he refers franz to the aid book, (topic: eve - p. 538) which states that: .
at the age of 130 another son was born to her.
in 1968, the WT had boldly stated that it was "logical for God to create Eve a few weeks or months later, in the same year" as Adam was created (w68 5/1 p.271 par.4).
Good pick up.
There certainly was much muddying of the waters in the years immediately after 1975:
- Talk about "Baffling with Bull$h*t if you can't Blind with Science"!
Bill
heard a lot buzz for our upcoming convention.
those that already been were saying how great it was and all the videos that were presented.. well, thus far not impressed!
in fact many times pure insanity!
freein2004:
OK - you have sold me, and I will be beating a path to the nearest RC, to find out what the fuss is about.
Oh man, I can't wait!
Bill
heard a lot buzz for our upcoming convention.
those that already been were saying how great it was and all the videos that were presented.. well, thus far not impressed!
in fact many times pure insanity!
Those that already been were saying how great it was
But always! I cannot recall ever hearing anything else to describe each and every convention / assembly that ever was.
William Shakespeare's Much Ado about Nothing seems a more appropriate description to me!
Bill.
